RE: FWD: Getting out of a bad situation

[SusanP <susanp -at- astound -dot- com>]

	Jane said: Also, if your Canadian references are actually harming
you, what recourse do
	you have?

I must have missed something in this thread but when did Canadians get drawn
into this. Anyway, here's my $0.02 as a Canuck.

According to some Canadian law (I don't know which one) it is unlawful to
give someone a bad reference. If you had a problem with an employee, you
cannot go into specifics but instead can provide dates of employment and
answer the question whether you would rehire this person. With regard to the
other question, there is recourse for an individual if the working
conditions were made intolerable such that the person felt obligated to
quit-it's called creative dismissal and the person could launch an unlawful
dismissal suit. However, if you voluntarily quit your job (regardless of the
reason) you do not collect unemployment insurance.

As to references, I preach (and practice) a simple rule: Ask your colleagues
and supervisors whether they would be willing to provide references. You can
ask them when you are leaving, or if it's been awhile (between jobs) call
them up and ask them again. That way there's no surprises and you know who
you can(not) use.

Susan 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jane [SMTP:judydh -at- total -dot- net]
	Sent:	Monday, February 07, 2000 8:10 AM
	To:	TECHWR-L
	Subject:	Re: FWD: Getting out of a bad situation

	To Anonymous:  try to quit before you're fired, if you have any
proof with
	you that you were having a hard time from your supervisor, and proof
that
	you've been looking for a job for a while. You are probably just as
likely
	to get employment insurance in a bad situation that you quit, than
one in
	which you're fired. Plus, politically, it's better, even though you
*can*
	walk out with your head up either way.

	I have a question.  In the instance that someone is fired from a
situation
	like Anonymous described, or any firing, for that matter, are people
going
	to back away from providing a reference? If so, why, if they had
nothing to
	do with the firing and had no issues of their own with the employee?

	Also, if your Canadian references are actually harming you, what
recourse do
	you have?

	I've even heard of the officer of a company phoning all the HR
departments
	of their clients to slag off an employee that was looking for a new
job, to
	try to prevent them from getting a job with their product
experience.

	Thanks,

	Jane



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