RE: Going wildly OT (Re: This year's salary survey-same old same old.. HERE WE GO!)

["Wright, Lynne" <lwright -at- positron911 -dot- com>]

Oh i never believe that you-can-have-it-all nonsense... And now, with just
one child that i have only half the time, i DO know how hard it is to
balance a demanding job and try to keep up with the housework and kid
rearing and all that(Social life? Personal time? What's that?) 

In spite of all that, I have managed to rise from the bottom of my
department to the top in four years. But what you're saying is: to really go
higher in my career I need to get me a WIFE? OH that would be LOVELY, cause
i'm sick to death with doing all that thankless cooking, cleaning for my
daughter, and for all the men that have come through my life since I got on
this damned adult train. Trouble is, i'm not gay, and I don't meet too many
guys willing to take on the keeper-of-the-home-and-child duties, so i guess
i'm doomed to mediocrity. 

Let me say thatI've never felt that i couldn't succeed as a woman in a
"man's" world... i've worked on film sets as a techie, and now i'm in
computer-boy land, and i've always done well and been largely respected and
valued by my male peer, so i'm not just jumping on the injustice against
women bandwagon just for the sake of whining. 

And I will allow that surveys don't tell the whole story. If computer
science remains largely the preserve of male geeks (forgive the blanket
assumption, and please... i LIKE geeks cause they're always nice), then
maybe women DO lag a little in skills and knowledge, in equivalent
positions. 

But the fact remains that none of the arguments put forth (all by men, no?)
can justify someone being paid less than others of equal merit, simply
because of their gender. Please tell me we can all agree on that. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Kim-Eng [mailto:techwr -at- genek -dot- com]
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:39 PM
To: Wright, Lynne; TECHWR-L
Subject: Going wildly OT (Re: This year's salary survey-same old same
old.. HERE WE GO!)


To put it bluntly, yes.  Unless you're the kind of performer who can
consistently reach dazzling heights of success that cause you to be
regarded as a legend in your own time professionally, inevitably you
will reach a point where there is nowhere left to go but greener
pastures where your knowledge and experience will be seen as 
fresh capabilities, and the chances are your replacement will be
someone the company sees in the same light.

As for the last point, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but
all that stuff you were fed in the 70's and 80's about "balancing"
work and family and "having it all" was BS.  If you want a career
that reaches the top levels of rank and compensation, it has to be
the primary focus of your time and attention, and unless you are
the superstar I mentioned above, to get there you have to do what
men have traditionally done:  either find a mate who is willing to be
the primary caregiver at home while you go out to slay dragons, or
forego the family.  Because there will always be someone else who
has done one of those things breathing down your neck or so far
ahead of you that you can't afford to stop if you ever hope to catch
up.

Gene Kim-Eng


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wright, Lynne" <lwright -at- positron911 -dot- com>
To: "TECHWR-L" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: This year's salary survey-same old same old.. HERE WE GO!


> 
> 
> This discussion is already proving that there is very little sense in the
> issues surrounding salaries...
> 
> It seems (in part from what Eileen and Gene have written), that:




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