Word problems with margins and Sharepoint

[dodd -at- teleport -dot- com]

Hi, all:

Here's the scenario:

I'm on Windows XP, Word 2003 SP1.

I copied a template out of a Sharepoint directory. (I didn't check in out, I simply copied.) I put this copy on my local machine, created a .doc document, and sent it out to some reviewers. The reviewers all told me that they had to go through a series of dialog boxes that asked them to access a server to open the document -- very annoying. 

I tried to figure out how to disconnect my .doc from the Sharepoint server, but couldn't find that information, so, first I created a new blank document, set the page margins to match the original document (I did not change the paper size -- I kept it at 8.5"x11"), did a Cntl+A and Cntl+C, and then pasted the original content into the new blank document.

Now the new document can be opened easily by everyone, but it's 10" wide by 11" high. I didn't change the paper size anywhere, so I don't know why this is happening. I've checked the page size box, and it says 8.5" x 11" (which is what I want). Using the Print dialog to scale the document doesn't work. 

So I need a solution that keeps the page size at 8.5"x11" and that allows reviewers to open the document easily. I don't know anything about Sharepoint, really. My predecessor set it up, but didn't leave me any directions or information. 

Please respond to me directly, as I'm on digest.

thanks
Patrice

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>   1. Adobe PDF Writer Question (Bill Kerschbaum)
>   2. RE: Study Grammar NOW! (Stuart Burnfield)
>   3. Re: paying by the word (Bill Swallow)
>   4. Re: Strengths tech writers should have to land internships
>      (Bill Swallow)
>   5. Compressing PDF Size (Keith Hansen)
>   6. Re: Compressing PDF Size (Gene Kim-Eng)
>   7. Re: paying by the word (Richard Lewis)
>   8. RE: Compressing PDF Size (Keith Hansen)
>   9. Re: Compressing PDF Size (Al Geist)
>  10. RE: Compressing PDF Size (Keith Hansen)
>  11. CD file-system broken for Windows or UNIX (mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com)
>  12. Re: Compressing PDF Size (Gene Kim-Eng)
>  13. RE: Chattiness in manuals (mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com)
>  14. RE: Chattiness in manuals (Sarah Bouchier)
>  15. Health care coverage for contract workers (Dan Garza)
>  16. Re: CD file-system broken for Windows or UNIX (Sean Wheller)
>  17. So just do it already (Poshedly, Ken)
>  18. Re: Health care coverage for contract workers (Dick Margulis)
>  19. RE: Health care coverage for contract workers (Dan Garza)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bill Kerschbaum <kbombbilly01 -at- yahoo -dot- com>
>Subject: Adobe PDF Writer Question
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
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>Anybody know how to force the name of the file that
>Adobe PDF Writer writes to?  Our software
>automatically writes information to a PDF, but we
>can't have the Save As window popping up because it
>will interfere with other processes.  At one point we
>had it working so that the window never came up and
>the PDF was automatically generated to a specified
>file, but the person who knew how to make that happen
>doesn't work here anymore.
>
>Thanks!
>-Bill Kerschbaum.
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:32:49 +0800
>From: Stuart Burnfield <sburnf -at- au1 -dot- ibm -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Study Grammar NOW!
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:43:07 -0400
>From: "Bill Swallow" <techcommdood -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: paying by the word
>To: "Richard Lewis" <tech44writer -at- yahoo -dot- com>
>Cc: Ned Bedinger <doc -at- edwordsmith -dot- com>, techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
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>You can change the album jacket but the record's still broken...
>
>On 10/18/06, Richard Lewis <tech44writer -at- yahoo -dot- com> wrote:
>> But how do we identify the functionality?    Hint: The pros in functional analysis (requirements engineers) state that, for complex systems, modeling is required.
>>
>>   Richard Lewis
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:49:01 -0400
>From: "Bill Swallow" <techcommdood -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Strengths tech writers should have to land internships
>To: "Richard Lewis" <tech44writer -at- yahoo -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
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>>   So, I say the major skill for an intern to have is knowledge of the behavior required to come up with a properly structured understanding of the product.  To be more specific, knowledge of the behavior required to come up with a rigorous understanding of the end users goals to be accomplished within the scope of the product, the individual tasks to accomplish each of these goals, and most importantly, an understanding of the interrelationships between those tasks.
>
>Just one problem - by the time the intern builds that, the internship
>is likely over, at which point the intern never gets to apply the
>knowledge and the company hiring the intern never gets to beneft from
>their knowledge.
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:01:19 -0500
>From: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>
>Subject: Compressing PDF Size
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
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> 
>Hello all,
>
>When creating PDF files, what options are available to control file
>size?
>
>For example, I have created a PDF that is about 3MB.  When creating the
>PDF, is there any way to make it smaller?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Keith
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:11:08 -0700
>From: "Gene Kim-Eng" <techwr -at- genek -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Compressing PDF Size
>To: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>,
>	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <000401c6f390$ce49efb0$b96ffea9 -at- genekoptx2>
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>Depends on what settings you used.  If the 3Mb file was created
>using high quality or standard setting, you can select smallest
>file size.  If you already used that setting you can go reduce the
>dpi of the downsampling settings, but the result for graphics
>will be ugly and potentially unreadable.
>
>(The above settings are if you are using Acrobat to generate the
>PDF, if you're using some other PDF writer, you'd need to check
>what settings are available for it).
>
>Gene Kim-Eng
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>
>
>When creating PDF files, what options are available to control file
>size?
>
>For example, I have created a PDF that is about 3MB.  When creating the
>PDF, is there any way to make it smaller?
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Richard Lewis <tech44writer -at- yahoo -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: paying by the word
>To: Ned Bedinger <doc -at- edwordsmith -dot- com>, techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <20061019154558 -dot- 40877 -dot- qmail -at- web58505 -dot- mail -dot- re3 -dot- yahoo -dot- com>
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>Ned:
>   
>  To estimate using Function Points, an analysis tool is needed that has the capability to properly partion the functions into roughly equal size pieces.  Else, as you say, the "functions will be whatever size they need to be".  Use Cases lack such a capability.  
>   
>  Richard Lewis
>   
>  Ned  Bedinger wrote:
>   
>  .....I think I see why FP Analysis was useful as a sort of Black Box meets 
>Use Case analysis. I can see it as a platform for planning end user 
>documentation, and with refinement maybe even as a framework for 
>collecting tech writing productivity metrics. That is to say, FP's focus 
>on user functional requirements and UI design would be welcomed 
>groundwork on any End User doc project I can think of at the moment. I 
>don't really see how a pay schedule or work schedule based on FP would 
>work--one wants a standard to measure work against, but what standard is 
>there when topics and functions are whatever size they need to be?
>
>Ned Bedinger
>doc -at- edwordsmith -dot- com
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:50:29 -0500
>From: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Compressing PDF Size
>To: <stevefjong -at- comcast -dot- net>,	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
>	<B4DBD1887147DE4BBAB1CBD0C1C99AD98015AB -at- wfg-win2k3-exch -dot- WFG -dot- LOCAL>
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>
>Steve wrote:
>
><<Acrobat includes standard settings for making smaller PDF files ... >>
>
>I use Acrobat 7.0 Professional. Under the File menu, there is a Reduce
>File Size option.  If the PDF has already been created, you can open it
>up and use this to reduce file size.
>
>I ran it on my 3MB PDF.  It reduced file size considerably, with no
>apparent side effects.  Has anyone experienced problems using this? 
>
>So, in other words, which is typically the better way to go:
>
>* In FrameMaker, create PDF using default settings.  Then reduce PDF
>file size in Acrobat using Reduce File Size. (This is what I just
>did...)
>
>* Reduce file size as you create the PDF in FrameMaker (i.e., select
>"Smallest File Size" in FrameMaker)
>
>Keith
>
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:07:09 -0400
>From: Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Compressing PDF Size
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4537A2AD -dot- 9020304 -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>You can also sometimes reduce the file size by opening the file in 
>Acrobat and clicking File=>Reduce File Size, then reset your 
>compatibility setting.  I've had this work sometimes, but not every 
>time.  Gene's method offers more consistency, and I'm not sure how well 
>this works with non Adobe PDF writers.  (I'm using Acrobat 6.0 Standard.)
>
>Al
>
>
>Gene Kim-Eng wrote:
>
>> Depends on what settings you used.  If the 3Mb file was created
>> using high quality or standard setting, you can select smallest
>> file size.  If you already used that setting you can go reduce the
>> dpi of the downsampling settings, but the result for graphics
>> will be ugly and potentially unreadable.
>>
>> (The above settings are if you are using Acrobat to generate the
>> PDF, if you're using some other PDF writer, you'd need to check
>> what settings are available for it).
>>
>-- 
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:12:35 -0500
>From: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Compressing PDF Size
>To: "Combs, Richard" <richard -dot- combs -at- Polycom -dot- com>,
>	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
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>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
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> 
>Richard wrote:
>
><<You'll have to give the list more specifics to get a specific
>answer.>>
>
>Here's some details of what I'm using:
>
>* Platform/OS: Windows NT
>
>* Program/version of source doc: FrameMaker 7.2
>
>* Software/version/process to create PDF: I create the PDF in FrameMaker
>7.2 using the following process:
>1. File Menu ... 
>2. Save As ... 
>3. Save As Type (choose PDF)
>4. I leave all the FramMaker default settings when making the PDF.
>
>* Primary purpose of the PDF: Online viewing or low-quality printing (no
>high-quality printing required at all)
>
>Keith 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard -dot- combs -at- Polycom -dot- com] 
>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:01 AM
>To: Keith Hansen; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: RE: Compressing PDF Size
>
>Keith Hansen wrote: 
> 
>> When creating PDF files, what options are available to control file 
>> size?
>> 
>> For example, I have created a PDF that is about 3MB.  When creating 
>> the PDF, is there any way to make it smaller?
>
>What platform and OS? What program and version is the source doc in?
>What software, version, and process are you using to create the PDF?
>What's the primary purpose of the PDF -- high-quality offset printing,
>office-quality laser printing, online viewing, ...? 
>
>You'll have to give the list more specifics to get a specific answer.
>
>Richard
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:35:53 -0400
>From: mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com
>Subject: CD file-system broken for Windows or UNIX
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <88484FCE42800C499ED8254F9F5E35EF048ACEBB -at- EXCHCA1>
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>
>Howdy all.
>
>Anybody got lots of experience with mkisofs?
>
>Sometime between the previous release of our product, and the one
>immediately prior, something went wrong with the way CD images are created.
>
>Executables and libraries and other important stuff are ok, but my WebHelp
>is now failing.
>
>Specifically, it works fine on Windows, but would no longer work on UNIX
>systems (including Linux).
>It's not an uppercase/lowercase thing; I generate in all lowercase.
>It's not a filename length thing, explicitly, because some of the files on
>the old working version were just as long as my current longest.
>A file will open if clicked directly (in UNIX), but all links are broken and
>the system complains that "such'n'such file cannot be found. This is not an
>hsfs file system."
>
>I missed that, going out the door last release, because ... well, it never
>broke before, so I didn't think that I had to check from burned CDs.
>Instead, after generating Help onto a company server, I'd view that Help
>from a selection of browsers in a selection of Windows and UNIX machines,
>connected to that server.  Then some customer complaints came in, following
>that last release.  Arg!
>
>Normally our docs live on the Client software CD.
>I've experimented making docs-only images, using mkisofs (which is what
>we've always used at the end of the builds process).
>mkisofs has hundreds of options.  I cherry-picked, trying combinations of
>-l, -J, -R, -r, -joliet-long, and a few other ones whose descriptions hinted
>that they might be worth trying.
>
>My results have been a bunch of CDs where either:
>
> - works on Windows and then UNIX gives the file system error message
>
>or
>
> - works on UNIX, but the files (when viewed in Windows) are all truncated
>8.3, which breaks everything for Windows
>
>I don't know a way to reverse-engineer a CD image to determine what options
>were used in its generation. The former builds people, who worked here when
>the last works-on-all OSes CD was created, are long gone.
>
>This has landed in my lap because the current builds guy (relatively new to
>his job) is swamped with work, and ... well.... it's my documentation that's
>breaking.  :-)
>
>Anyone equipped with clues and insights?
>Suggestions that don't involve spending money?
>
>I really hate the idea of creating a second docs-only CD to cover UNIX
>systems, when it all worked from a single CD before. Our CM and production
>people also dislike the idea of yet another part to track.
>
>Thanks for your time,
>
>Kevin
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>Message: 12
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:55:52 -0700
>From: "Gene Kim-Eng" <techwr -at- genek -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Compressing PDF Size
>To: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>, <stevefjong -at- comcast -dot- net>,
>	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <001a01c6f39f$6fca0ce0$b96ffea9 -at- genekoptx2>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>I've done this occaisonally and have never had any problem 
>reading the resulting pdf, but it doesn't always reduce file 
>size by very much, and on at least one pdf actually made the 
>file slightly larger!
>
>Gene Kim-Eng
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Keith Hansen" <KRH -at- weiland-wfg -dot- com>
>
>I use Acrobat 7.0 Professional. Under the File menu, there is a Reduce
>File Size option.  If the PDF has already been created, you can open it
>up and use this to reduce file size.
>
>I ran it on my 3MB PDF.  It reduced file size considerably, with no
>apparent side effects.  Has anyone experienced problems using this? 
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 13
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:00:57 -0400
>From: mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com
>Subject: RE: Chattiness in manuals
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <88484FCE42800C499ED8254F9F5E35EF048ACEBC -at- EXCHCA1>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>I've worked with engineers and programmers and other techy people for ... oh
>darn... decades now. I can't recall more than two or three out of many
>hundreds who might have a problem with a little judiciously injected levity
>or humanity.
>
>So, where ARE all these people who would instantly
>take/construct/create-out-of-nothing offense at a cute estimate of the time
>an operation might take before requiring another input?
>
>I'm normally careful ... to some extent, but I've mentioned this one before:
>
>Years ago, when I worked with Ericsson's cellular systems division, as part
>of the Technical Assistance Center (supporting cellular systems
>operators/techs/engineers worldwide), I created and ran the support BBS, and
>later the support Web site.  One day, I created a "Don't Touch This" button.
>It led to a succession of pages (each with the button in the same place)
>with a new, escalating exhortation.
>I said, don't touch this.
>No, really, don't touch this.
>DON'T touch the BUTTON!
>You touched the button again.
>STOP touching the button!
>Stoppit!
>STOPPIT right NOW!
>Look, just QUIT, ok?
>Hey, this is serious business! Don't touch the button.
>STOP
>   TOUCHING
>        THE
>          BUTTON!
>Does your mother know you're doing this?
>.... and on it went, up to 75 pages.
>If they got that far, they were locked out and had to call me to get
>re-instated.
>
>Nobody ever objected, and the audience was worldwide.
>A really scary number of people went all the way and had to have their
>accounts re-set.
>A few did it several times...   make of that what you will.
>On more than one occasion I heard howls of laughter in the background when
>the call came in.
>
>I recreated it for the web site. It remained popular in an environment where
>downtime was measured in tens of thousands of dollars per minute (might
>explain some things about cell rates in the 90s...).
>
>So, last year, I put an equivalent in my Help. It's only about 25 pages, but
>it works about the same way. 
>At the end, I can't cut off access, so the second last page says "If you
>don't stop you'll go blind", and then the last page is all blackness.
>
>Only a few people have discovered it, and so far, only grins have ensued.
>But if I disappear from the list one day, you'll have an idea why.
>
>Kevin  (if you are a hiring manager, um, it's some other Kevin)
>
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>Message: 14
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:07:37 +0100
>From: "Sarah Bouchier" <Sarah -dot- Bouchier -at- exony -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Chattiness in manuals
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <E2775C238CA9CA43AFBE393655D36952D49B46 -at- xmail -dot- exony -dot- local>
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>Kevin, you are my new hero.
>
>S.
>
>Disclaimer:  Hero status confers no advantages financial, political,
>social or actual on the beneficiary.  The usual duration of this status
>is approximately 5 minutes.
>
>----------------------------------------- 
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>Technical Author 
>
>exony 
>
>>Years ago, when I worked with Ericsson's cellular systems division, as
>part
>>of the Technical Assistance Center (supporting cellular systems
>>operators/techs/engineers worldwide), I created and ran the support
>BBS,
>>and
>>later the support Web site.  One day, I created a "Don't Touch This"
>>button.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 15
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:21:34 -0500
>From: "Dan Garza" <dangarza -at- houston -dot- rr -dot- com>
>Subject: Health care coverage for contract workers
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <200610191721 -dot- k9JHLXXx029673 -at- ms-smtp-02 -dot- texas -dot- rr -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> 
>Well its getting crazy paying for HMOs that barely keep you alive, ha ha.
>
>Is there any low cost health care that anyone of you use that's worth a
>darn?
>
>Thanks
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:27:33 +0200
>From: Sean Wheller <sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>Subject: Re: CD file-system broken for Windows or UNIX
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <200610191927 -dot- 34204 -dot- sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>On Thursday 19 October 2006 18:35, mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com wrote:
>> Anybody got lots of experience with mkisofs?
>
>Assuming that all your links are abstracted from filesystem syntax as URIs and 
>that you have no need for HFS (Mac OS).
>
>You should generate an iso with the Rock Ridge Extensions which makes the 
>filesystem universal. I would also make all files readable, but owned by 
>root.
>
>mkisofs -o doc.iso -R doc_dir
>
>Should give you what you need.
>
>Curious, but why not just fire up KIIIB and do it?
>
>-- 
>Ask me about the Monkey.
>
>Sean Wheller
>Technical Author
>sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za
>+27-84-854-9408
>http://www.inwords.co.za
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:36:55 -0400
>From: "Poshedly, Ken" <PoshedlyK -at- polysius -dot- com>
>Subject: So just do it already
>To: "Sean Wheller" <sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>,	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
>	<737AFC2CC600B3419487F80030A84AC1015E36F8 -at- kp04s152 -dot- KP04D1 -dot- local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>So, really now. Tell us about the damn monkey!
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: techwr-l-bounces+poshedlyk=polysius -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+poshedlyk=polysius -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On
>Behalf Of Sean Wheller
>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:28 PM
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: Re: CD file-system broken for Windows or UNIX
>
>On Thursday 19 October 2006 18:35, mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com wrote:
> . . .
>
>Ask me about the Monkey.
>
>Sean Wheller
>Technical Author
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>Message: 18
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:01 -0400
>From: Dick Margulis <margulisd -at- comcast -dot- net>
>Subject: Re: Health care coverage for contract workers
>To: Dan Garza <dangarza -at- houston -dot- rr -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4537B871 -dot- 2000009 -at- comcast -dot- net>
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>Dan Garza wrote:
>>  
>> Well its getting crazy paying for HMOs that barely keep you alive, ha ha.
>> 
>> Is there any low cost health care that anyone of you use that's worth a
>> darn?
>> 
>
>What state are you in? Eligibility rules and product availability vary.
>
>One approach that works in some places is to stop thinking of yourself 
>as a contract worker and start thinking of yourself as an independent 
>business owner. In Connecticut, we didn't have to incorporate or do 
>anything different in terms of accounting (both my wife and I have 
>unincorporated businesses that we report on schedule C's on our personal 
>return). In some other states, I understand the rules are stricter. In 
>any case, a commercial insurance agent (someone who sells group policies 
>to businesses) was able to set up a group consisting of one person (in 
>our case it made more sense for my wife to be the one person; I'm her 
>dependent for insurance purposes). Once the group was set up, we picked 
>an insurer (we had choices). Each covered group member (the one we 
>started with plus any that get added later as employees) can then choose 
>from an array of insurance products.
>
>This got us better coverage for somewhat less money than we had before 
>or than we would be able to get as community-rated individuals. YMMV.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 19
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:54:34 -0500
>From: "Dan Garza" <dangarza -at- houston -dot- rr -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Health care coverage for contract workers
>To: "'Dick Margulis'" <margulisd -at- comcast -dot- net>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <200610191754 -dot- k9JHsYjW002369 -at- ms-smtp-02 -dot- texas -dot- rr -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> 
>Texas. I looked at http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/
>
>Seems pretty good? Is this a legit website? I hate buying fake insurance.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dick Margulis [mailto:margulisd -at- comcast -dot- net] 
>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:40 PM
>To: Dan Garza
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: Re: Health care coverage for contract workers
>
>Dan Garza wrote:
>>  
>> Well its getting crazy paying for HMOs that barely keep you alive, ha ha.
>> 
>> Is there any low cost health care that anyone of you use that's worth 
>> a darn?
>> 
>
>What state are you in? Eligibility rules and product availability vary.
>
>One approach that works in some places is to stop thinking of yourself as a
>contract worker and start thinking of yourself as an independent business
>owner. In Connecticut, we didn't have to incorporate or do anything
>different in terms of accounting (both my wife and I have unincorporated
>businesses that we report on schedule C's on our personal return). In some
>other states, I understand the rules are stricter. In any case, a commercial
>insurance agent (someone who sells group policies to businesses) was able to
>set up a group consisting of one person (in our case it made more sense for
>my wife to be the one person; I'm her dependent for insurance purposes).
>Once the group was set up, we picked an insurer (we had choices). Each
>covered group member (the one we started with plus any that get added later
>as employees) can then choose from an array of insurance products.
>
>This got us better coverage for somewhat less money than we had before or
>than we would be able to get as community-rated individuals. YMMV.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 20
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Milan Davidovic <shl_ctf -at- yahoo -dot- ca>
>Subject: Re: So just do it already
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <20061019175707 -dot- 88073 -dot- qmail -at- web56407 -dot- mail -dot- re3 -dot- yahoo -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>--- "Poshedly, Ken" <PoshedlyK -at- polysius -dot- com> wrote:
>> So, really now. Tell us about the damn monkey!
>
>Before he gets around to replying, try this:
>
>http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22Ask+me+about+the+Monkey%22&meta=
>
>Milan
>http://altmilan.blogspot.com
>http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758
>
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>Message: 21
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:06:29 -0700
>From: "Gene Kim-Eng" <techwr -at- genek -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Chattiness in manuals
>To: <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>,	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <001301c6f3a9$4d30e370$b96ffea9 -at- genekoptx2>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Ok, this is funny.  We're waaaaay too serious to use this in our docs,
>but I've been looking for something amusing to put on my personal
>website.  Can I steal this?
>
>Thanks,
>Gene Kim-Eng
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>
>
>> At the end, I can't cut off access, so the second last page says "If 
>> you
>> don't stop you'll go blind", and then the last page is all blackness.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 22
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:06:33 -0400
>From: arroxaneullman -at- aol -dot- com
>Subject: Re: Health care coverage for contract workers
>To: dangarza -at- houston -dot- rr -dot- com, techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <8C8C1C0723B105B-84C-1DAC -at- mblk-d24 -dot- sysops -dot- aol -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dan (dangarza -at- houston -dot- rr -dot- com) asked, "Is there any low cost health care that anyone of you use that's worth a darn?"
> 
> When I was contracting I got insurance through the National Association for the Self-Employed. Low-cost is relative and "worth a darn" moreso, but you should at least check them out.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Arroxane
>  
> 
> 
> 
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>Message: 23
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:21:09 -0400
>From: arroxaneullman -at- aol -dot- com
>Subject: Re: So just do it already
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <8C8C1C27BCD916D-84C-1EC3 -at- mblk-d24 -dot- sysops -dot- aol -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> --- "Poshedly, Ken" <PoshedlyK -at- polysius -dot- com> wrote:
>
>> So, really now. Tell us about the damn monkey!
> I think my grandfather pointed this one out to me at some point. (And that's not off-topic because my grandfather was a Technical Writer--and still imagines himself one, to my dismay).
>  
> Basically, if I recall correctly, it has to do with the strategic use of a bizarre non sequitur such as "Ask me about the Monkey." 
> 
> This kind of conversation-inviting statement is all over these days. You see it on hats, buttons, pins, bumper stickers, key chains, whatever. Once you have the attention of the "audience" you subject them to your soapbox philosophy and engage them in what might be a provocative or productive discussion. 
> 
> This could be seen as a good lesson for technical writers in the sense that we should find a way to drag our audience in (kicking and screaming, if necessary) to get them to pay attention to what they need to know--whether they are aware of the trick or not.
> 
> My 3.14159 cents worth.
> 
> Arroxane, heading out for a few days of vacation and getting older 
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>Message: 24
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:37:36 +0200
>From: Sean Wheller <sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>Subject: Re: So just do it already
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <200610192037 -dot- 37150 -dot- sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:21, arroxaneullman -at- aol -dot- com wrote:
>> This could be seen as a good lesson for technical writers in the sense that
>> we should find a way to drag our audience in (kicking and screaming, if
>> necessary) to get them to pay attention to what they need to know--whether
>> they are aware of the trick or not. 
>
>Actually, I can attest to the system working extremely well. 
>Since adding this line to my messages I have received between 2 and 5 messages  
>a day (serious). All from people who are very concerned with the welfare of 
>the Monkey or just wanting to know what is up with that darn Monkey.
>
>-- 
>Remember the Monkey.
>
>Sean Wheller
>Technical Author
>sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za
>+27-84-854-9408
>http://www.inwords.co.za
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 25
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:41:36 +0100
>From: "Sarah Bouchier" <Sarah -dot- Bouchier -at- exony -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: So just do it already
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <E2775C238CA9CA43AFBE393655D36952D49B49 -at- xmail -dot- exony -dot- local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>> Basically, if I recall correctly, it has to do with the strategic use
>of a
>>bizarre non sequitur such as "Ask me about the Monkey."
>
>In theory, I can see that.
>
>In practice, I offer at least one data point of someone who regards it
>less as a bizarre non-sequiteur and more of an invitation to hear a
>probably-amusing story about a monkey.
>
>If no monkey story is forthcoming, I shall regard the person who offered
>me one less as a modern thinker and more as a dasher of expectation.
>And I certainly won't pay much attention to anything they subsequently
>say.
>
>S.
>---
>Technical Author
>
>exony
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 26
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:43:43 -0400
>From: mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com
>Subject: RE: Chattiness in manuals
>To: techwr -at- genek -dot- com, mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com,
>	techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <88484FCE42800C499ED8254F9F5E35EF048ACEBE -at- EXCHCA1>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I would love to be able to acknowledge whomever I stole it from, 
>in 1990.   Go nuts.
>
>As for being too weenie... er, I mean, um, sober and practical 
>to include it in your docs, remember that mine is WebHelp. Any other Help
>would work as well, I imagine.
>
>You control how obvious it is.
>As I already explained to a couple of people off-list, it isn't 
>in my ToC.
>
>You won't find mine unless you know to look - in which case it's your own
>darn fault for seeking it out - or you happen to be reading the "Things to
>Do and Things to Avoid" section and get through to the link in the very last
>sentence on the "What not to do" page.
>
>The "What not to do" page is a bunch of legitimate things to avoid while
>configuring and using our product, assumptions that don't apply, etc.... all
>based on previous calls to Tech Support.
>
>It's only if you click that one little link at the end that you get the
>button.
>It's your choice to press it more than once.
>
>It took me half an hour to create, one evening (my own time), then about two
>minutes to include it in the WebHelp next morning.
>
>Of course, when I'm ready to leave this gig, maybe I'll arrange for the
>button to appear at the bottom of every page in the Help...
>
>There's a certain protective, self-incriminating (of the user) beauty in the
>"Don't Touch This" button. They have to disobey in order to get it going.
>How many huffy engineers are going to say to their manager - "I disobeyed
>instructions and got offended - we should expend time and effort to get the
>writer fired"?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gene Kim-Eng [mailto:techwr -at- genek -dot- com]
>> Sent: October 19, 2006 2:06 PM
>> To: mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>> Subject: Re: Chattiness in manuals
>> 
>> 
>> Ok, this is funny.  We're waaaaay too serious to use this in our docs,
>> but I've been looking for something amusing to put on my personal
>> website.  Can I steal this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Gene Kim-Eng
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>
>> 
>> > At the end, I can't cut off access, so the second last page 
>> says "If 
>> > you
>> > don't stop you'll go blind", and then the last page is all 
>> blackness.
>> 
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>Message: 27
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:56:39 -0400
>From: "Joyce Fetterman" <Joycef -at- gtsoftware -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: So just do it already
>To: "Sean Wheller" <sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>,	<techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
>	<94E40C2FE34A114CB530C40935FAEE27124CA2 -at- gtmail -dot- gtsoftware -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Arroxane:
>> This could be seen as a good lesson for technical writers in the sense
>that we should find a way to drag our audience in (kicking and
>screaming, if necessary) to get them to pay attention to what they need
>to know--whether they are aware of the trick or not.<
>
>Sean Wheller:
><< Actually, I can attest to the system working extremely well. Since
>adding this line to my messages I have received between 2 and 5 messages
>a day (serious). All from people who are very concerned with the welfare
>of the Monkey or just wanting to know what is up with that darn
>Monkey.>>
>
>
>Maybe it works. But how many people were irritated to have been played
>that way? And how many others were irritated to never get a response
>(count me as one) when they _did_ ask. And how many people get tired of
>seeing the same nonsensical phrase over and over and over and over...
>
>I suspect that tricking an audience into reading a manual would
>backfire. Being less-than-honest is just bad form, IMO.
>
>Joyce
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 28
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:06:00 +0200
>From: Sean Wheller <sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>Subject: Re: So just do it already
>To: "Joyce Fetterman" <Joycef -at- gtsoftware -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <200610192106 -dot- 00813 -dot- sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:56, Joyce Fetterman wrote:
>> Arroxane:
>> > This could be seen as a good lesson for technical writers in the sense
>>
>> that we should find a way to drag our audience in (kicking and
>> screaming, if necessary) to get them to pay attention to what they need
>> to know--whether they are aware of the trick or not.<
>>
>> Sean Wheller:
>> << Actually, I can attest to the system working extremely well. Since
>> adding this line to my messages I have received between 2 and 5 messages
>> a day (serious). All from people who are very concerned with the welfare
>> of the Monkey or just wanting to know what is up with that darn
>> Monkey.>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe it works. But how many people were irritated to have been played
>> that way? And how many others were irritated to never get a response
>> (count me as one) when they _did_ ask. And how many people get tired of
>> seeing the same nonsensical phrase over and over and over and over...
>>
>> I suspect that tricking an audience into reading a manual would
>> backfire. Being less-than-honest is just bad form, IMO.
>
>I think you miss the purpose of the excercise. So far nobody has shouted me 
>down, in fact most have given postive feedback and input  the idea. These 
>inputs have assisted me greatly in enhancing the response I give to any 
>request I receive for info about the Monkey. Since I must have missed your 
>request I send info to you under seperate cover.
>
>-- 
>Ask me about the Monkey.
>
>Sean Wheller
>Technical Author
>sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za
>+27-84-854-9408
>http://www.inwords.co.za
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 29
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:28:09 -0400
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: So just do it already
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPMEBCCCAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Back in the day my journalism prof referred to it as "the hook", and he gave
>extra points if we included a good one with our article.  Of course, it had
>to show a relationship to the rest of the piece.  Non sequiturs were, well,
>nongrata.
>
>Dori Green
>Technical Writer, QMS Project
>Associated Brands, Inc.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 30
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:55:26 -0400
>From: "Fred Ridder" <docudoc -at- hotmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: So just do it already
>To: sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za, Joycef -at- gtsoftware -dot- com
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <BAY106-F1572ABECA628EEFBB8E625BA0C0 -at- phx -dot- gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>At the risk of perpetuating an off-topic thread, I must point
>out that Joyce was not the only person you missed who
>asked about the stupid damn monkey. I asked twice (albeit
>as part of responses to some *real* topic) and received no
>reply whatsoever. And that annoyed me enough that I now
>would *love* to see an end to the whole thing.
>
>
>>From: Sean Wheller <sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za>
>>To: "Joyce Fetterman" <Joycef -at- gtsoftware -dot- com>
>>CC: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>>Subject: Re: So just do it already
>>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:06:00 +0200
>>
>>On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:56, Joyce Fetterman wrote:
>> > Arroxane:
>> > > This could be seen as a good lesson for technical writers in the sense
>> >
>> > that we should find a way to drag our audience in (kicking and
>> > screaming, if necessary) to get them to pay attention to what they need
>> > to know--whether they are aware of the trick or not.<
>> >
>> > Sean Wheller:
>> > << Actually, I can attest to the system working extremely well. Since
>> > adding this line to my messages I have received between 2 and 5 messages
>> > a day (serious). All from people who are very concerned with the welfare
>> > of the Monkey or just wanting to know what is up with that darn
>> > Monkey.>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Maybe it works. But how many people were irritated to have been played
>> > that way? And how many others were irritated to never get a response
>> > (count me as one) when they _did_ ask. And how many people get tired of
>> > seeing the same nonsensical phrase over and over and over and over...
>> >
>> > I suspect that tricking an audience into reading a manual would
>> > backfire. Being less-than-honest is just bad form, IMO.
>>
>>I think you miss the purpose of the excercise. So far nobody has shouted me
>>down, in fact most have given postive feedback and input  the idea. These
>>inputs have assisted me greatly in enhancing the response I give to any
>>request I receive for info about the Monkey. Since I must have missed your
>>request I send info to you under seperate cover.
>>
>>--
>>Ask me about the Monkey.
>>
>>Sean Wheller
>>Technical Author
>>sean -at- inwords -dot- co -dot- za
>>+27-84-854-9408
>>http://www.inwords.co.za
>
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>Message: 31
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:42:41 -0400
>From: John Garison <john -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Health care coverage for contract workers
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <453837A1 -dot- 9070802 -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>If you are an STC member, they offer some sort of group health 
>insurance. I used to use it many moons ago. More recently, I contacted 
>some insurance company (can't remember the name since even tough it's 
>more recent its still awhile ago) and they said all I had to do to 
>become eligible for a much lower group rate was to join the local 
>equivalent of the Better Business Bureau.
>
>As Dick said, look at it as if you are a small (i.e. party of one) 
>company rather than just an individual person. And make sure you check 
>to see if it's not deductible on your taxes since you are self-employed 
>and it might be considered a part of doing business. [Note: I am not a 
>lawyer or financial adviser, nor do I play one on TV.]
>
>My 2¢,
>
>John Garison
>
>
>
>Dan Garza wrote:
>>> Is there any low cost health care that anyone of you use that's worth a
>>> darn?
>
>
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>
>Message: 32
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:15:31 +0530
>From: "Edgar D' Souza" <edgar -dot- b -dot- dsouza -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: CD file-system broken for Windows or UNIX
>To: "mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com" <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID:
>	<60ecd5ce0610192245n61e87f7fud7e020afbb5993d4 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 10/19/06, mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com> wrote:
>> I don't know a way to reverse-engineer a CD image to determine what options
>> were used in its generation. The former builds people, who worked here when
>> the last works-on-all OSes CD was created, are long gone.
>
>Are you using Linux? Well, I guess it doesn't matter, since even if
>you're using Cygwin on NT-class Windows, you'll probably still be able
>to do this:
>On my Mandriva 2006 install, I have an RPM installed which is called
>"cdrecord-isotools". Among the executables this provides is:
>    /usr/bin/isoinfo
>So I stuck in an Ubuntu Linux 6.06 CD in my drive, and ran
>   isoinfo -d -i /dev/hdc
>(/dev/hdc is the device for my DVD drive)
>
>The output was as follows:
>CD-ROM is in ISO 9660 format
>System id: LINUX
>Volume id: Ubuntu 6.06 i386
>Volume set id:
>Publisher id:
>Data preparer id:
>Application id: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD
>CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING
>Copyright File id:
>Abstract File id:
>Bibliographic File id:
>Volume set size is: 1
>Volume set sequence number is: 1
>Logical block size is: 2048
>Volume size is: 357297
>El Torito VD version 1 found, boot catalog is in sector 258
>Joliet with UCS level 3 found
>Rock Ridge signatures version 1 found
>Eltorito validation header:
>    Hid 1
>    Arch 0 (x86)
>    ID ''
>    Key 55 AA
>    Eltorito defaultboot header:
>        Bootid 88 (bootable)
>        Boot media 0 (No Emulation Boot)
>        Load segment 0
>        Sys type 0
>        Nsect 4
>        Bootoff FB 251
>
>A lot of not-so-useful stuff, but this output tells me:
>a) Image format (ISO9660)
>b) Joliet and Rock Ridge extensions were used.
>c) It's a bootable CD (ElTorito info) (but I knew that already, Ubuntu
>is a LiveCD).
>
>So while this isn't exactly reverse-engineering, it might give you
>some helpful information from CDs of your old builds, to compare with
>your testing CDs.
>
>HTH,
>Ed.
>
>
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