RE: "Up with which I will not put" (was: RE: "and then, " or simply"then"?)

["Sean Brierley" <sbrierley -at- Accu-Time -dot- com>]

Thank you. 

The story is funny but wrong. It also gets old explaining why the story
is wrong.

In this use, "up" is not a preposition--it is part of the verbal, as
David points out. Sure, up is sometimes a preposition, but not in this
case. 

So, those who use this funny story to rail against the location-myth of
prepositions and the silliness of rules of grammar are starting in
entirely the wrong place.

Cheers,

Sean


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Subject: "Up with which I will not put" (was: RE: "and then," or
simply"then"?)



Actually, this sentence is *not* grammatically correct, nor does it 
illustrate the absurdity (though it purports to) one frequently finds 
oneself in by attempting to never end on a preposition.  The phrase 
"to put up with" is a phrasal verb, and it must be kept intact.

But it's still funny.



Odile



At 12:40 PM -0500 9/24/08, Downing, David wrote:
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>
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>
>But this reminds me of a famous example of a sentence that's 
>grammatically correct, yet sounds very awkward and unnatural. The 
>speaker was talking about ending a sentence with a preposition, and 
>said, "This is a practice up with which I will not put."
>
>I agree that glaringly bad grammar is disturbing, and that as writers, 
>we should always show others, by example, the correct way to do things.

>But when it gets to the point of writing statements that sound 
>downright unnatural, that's another story.
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