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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Janoff (non-Celgene) [mailto:sjanoff -at- celgene -dot- com]
>
> "Nothing ever really happens" seems to suggest that the flow of time is
> an illusion, albeit a very convincing one, which in fact Kevin you are
> seconding. I don't think Rinpoche or whoever wrote that would claim
> that reality itself is "not real." He would probably acknowledge that
> the brick wall is very real. I think the suggestion is that we exist
> in discrete moments of time and our minds fill in the gaps to create
> the illusion of flow and "passage" of time. Maybe there is no such
> thing. Events "happen" over time -- I don't think anything is truly
> "instantaneous." Even the Big Bang took some time. I think Rinpoche
> is talking about stripping away *all* the illusions we bring to reality
> (and this is just one) until all you're left with is a very stark, bare
> reality. That's when you can be objective about the world. Won't
> happen in my lifetime, but that's what I get out of that quote.
>
> Steve
>
> PS - No one is questioning your existence, either -- unless you're just
> some automatic "bot" posting messages to Techwhirl. :)
Hey now! What have you got against us 'bots, meat-sack? :-)
But seriously... for possible off-list discussion, is anybody
here documenting for any of the big physics projects or for
any other effort that might be examining the nature of time?
Or anybody working with psych or biology researchers who
might be getting a handle on the mechanisms of the perception
of time?
Robotics? Anybody dealing with robot (or computer) sensibilities,
when confronted with the universe continuing/changing while they
are shut down? Do the most intelligent, learning ones grasp
cause-and-effect when their perceptions halt, and then
resume at some other time-space nexus? "Dave? Will I dream?"
Or, do we even want them to think in terms of cause and effect,
if our perception of time is arbitrary and the robot could
as easily perceive it the other way and initiate what we
would see as causes from effects? Things that make you go "hmmmm".
At least nobody brought up Zeno.
So far.
-k
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